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Tired of the moaning

Posted by LG on September 1, 2010

I realise I’m going to have to duck down under the parapet after this one, but hey ho, has to be said.

A (brief) trawl around the Internet today suggests that Gooners are either the biggest moaners in the Premier League or possibly the most spoilt. Either way the level of whingeing about Arsenè’s stubbornness, short sightedness, dislike of spending money etc has reached a deafening crescendo.

Get a grip people, yes we’re all dissapointed that we don’t have a ‘world class’ goalkeeper coming in, but the suggestions that Arsenè should have just gone out and got any one of the many goalies that have been suggested is utter nonsense. And using the fact that he didn’t buy as proof of his parsimony is plain ridiculous.

Let’s put it as simply as possible, if you want to buy something, the person who owns it has to want to sell it, otherwise you can’t buy it. Arsenè could not go buy a goalie just because he wanted to. I have no doubt he has the money and equally no doubt he would have spent it if he could have got an agreement on a decent goalie. What he doesn’t have is Al Citeh type money to be able to pay so much over the odds that the selling team agrees to sell anyway. That’s why we couldn’t buy Given, no amount of money would have made Al Citeh decide it was worth it, they have to much cash for money to have talked. And besides they see themselves as our direct rivals, so they wouldn’t do anything to strengthen us.

So please let’s just take a deep breath now everyone has vented and remember we are Arsenal supporters. That means we support the club, the manager and any player he chooses to put out in the red and white. Despite our reservations.

In all the hype and nonsense concerning the transfer window the fine win against Fat Sam’s gang seems to have been lost somewhat. Shame. We were plenty nervous at points in the first half and made some errors, but I thought we learned from them and pushed on in the second. Kos particularly seemed to have overcome what must have been disappointing being skinned for their goal, but quite why mini-diouf was allowed to run through three players unchallenged to score is beyond me. A certain lack of awareness on their part methinks.

However it would be easy to pick out all the mistakes and such, but we took our chance and won. Not sure we would have done that last year and certainly wouldn’t the year before. You may scoff at Arsenè, but that’s progress in my book, so maybe he’s right?

Not surprising Cesc looked a little glum being taken off, apparently it hadn’t been discussed before the match and he likes to play. Nothing to read into it as far as I am concerned. He was beginning to play a bit better having lost the ball an unusually large number of times, but having Rosicky available, in the form he is in, was a great bonus. The way things are going, with a match-fit Cesc, Rosicky and Nasri when he gets back, Arsenè is going to have real selection problems in midfield. Song and Diaby did well and Jack was just Jack when he came on. Short of a significant injuries (did I just say that?) Denilson is going to have a bit of time on the bench as things are going.

So with the Interlull now, hopefully we don’t get too many coming back with injuries. RvP seems to have got his in early doors so one assumes the Dutch won’t have the opportunity to crock him even more. Although it is the other ankle to the one which got badly injured. Hope it’s not the same thing as with Theo when he got one shoulder fixed the other came out (sorry) in sympathy.

So peace and love to y’all and to any Spanish waiter come Morris Dancer who has the fortune to be supported by us. May he regain his former form and stay fit all season so we don’t see our current second choice in goal…

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Comments (26)

  • BOTH, the biggest moaners and spoilt. Add another-BLIND!

  • Fully agree with RedAndDread!

  • Finally some sanity amongst the avalanche of posts from the suicide brigade. These mugs actually believe if we went out and spetn £35 million getting Gigi Buffon that he’d never make an error.

    Everyone makes errors, we need to defend better as a team. If we do that and keep the goals conceded to 30 or under, we’ll win the league.

    If you look at Almunia’s errors last season, he was responsible for 4-5 goals max. He also saved some pens and made some excellent saves. So if the TEAM defends better and trims the conceded column by 7 or 8 we have a great chance.

    I wish the moaning, bitching plastics would do one and let some proper supporters get behind the team

  • Your a fucking mug mate, you argue that ‘What he doesn’t have is Al Citeh type money to be able to pay so much over the odds that the selling team agrees to sell anyway’ and yet we only needed to bid an extra 2 million for Schwarzer on top of the 2 million we had bid twice, hardly massive amounts. Ironically Wengers new contract pays him an extra two million a year, which is hardly surprising considering hes one of the only managers that considers balancing the books every year more important than trophies.. So next time Almunia or Fabianski make a mistake which costs us the game, just remember you stated ‘the suggestions that Arsenè should have just gone out and got any one of the many goalies that have been suggested is utter nonsense’. You know theres something seriously wrong with a club transfer policy when even some of the fans view the idea of buying world class players nonsense. YOUR A MUG

  • Interesting and well written article, but I’m afraid I have to disagree.
    Amidst all the chat and speculation that has been going on over the last couple of weeks, one thing is clear..
    Nearly every Arsenal supporter believes that neither Almunia or Fabianski are up to the job and should have been replaced.
    Consequently it is also true that they believe Wenger has made a mistake in not buying a new goalkeeper…
    These are as close to ‘facts’ as you are ever going to get in a subjective argument about the pros and cons of various players..
    I will never boo any arsenal playert that wears the shirt, but it has to be said that Wenger has totally dropped the ball on this one, and all the accusations of ‘fake gooners’ and ‘whinging gooners’ won’t make any difference. The man has cost an excellent arsenal team a shot at the title…
    Is it unreasonable to want the team to win things again? Is it disloyal to question the management who seem unable to spend the millions of pounds we give them on what the club really needs?
    Wenger has become biggger than the club.

  • Henry – total b0ll0cks. The reason Fulham didn’t sell is because it would have left them with no fit keepers. Nothing to do with money but then that would have spoiled your skewed rant.

  • if he cant buy a decent goalkeeper when we desperately need one, why is he in the job????????Why did he sign the contract extension when he cant negotiate and has no influence to bring in players…….Its not like Man City were competing for Mark Schawzer????? All we wanted was a decent goaalkeeper to stabilise and give our defence confidence.
    Beating blackburn is not an achievment and should not be celebrated as if we have won the EPL.remember last year we beat Stoke city and Bolton and were congratulating the team and saying we can macth these kind of teams bla bla and then we went on to lose at Blackburn, Wigan and throw away more points at Brimingham.
    All we want is a squad to compete and not to be told “we are inexperienced” ” we had injuries” at the end of every season. I can understand teh frustation of everyone who is moaning. We cant go on liek this forever

  • Simon – that is true. But why were we hanging on until the last minute? Getting a keeper should have been the first piece of business this summer. Wenger clearly wanted a new one – so all this ‘get behind almunia’ stuff is undermined by Wenger himself. If he’d offered 4 mil at the start of the transfer window or even a couple of weeks ago he would would have got him. He gambled trying to save a couple of million and it backfired big time. I’m afraid that is very bad management whichever way you look at it…

  • The Club is bigger than Wenger’s vanity project, which is what we have become. We won trophies before he came and we will win again once he leaves. We have played good football before him, and will not suddenly start hoofing the ball if he leaves. It is true that to buy a player, the other club needs to want to sell, yet fantastic keepers like Eduardo (of Portugal) and Amelia (from Italy) did move. Any keeper we get does not need to be world class, just better than Almunia, which is not asking much.

    And this whole ‘If you disagree with the manager then you are deluded scum’ needs to stop, its ridiculous and makes you look like a child. I firmly believe that Wenger should be moved upstairs, perhaps as a director of football, as his judgement as a manager has been fatally impaired. He is simply too close to his players now to admit that some of them are simply no longer good enough to play for the Arsenal, or at least an Arsenal that wants to win things, as we used to half a decade ago.

  • Let’s not judge Arsene based on this. He has proven time and again that he know’s best and I am willing to go with him.
    The results will show if he is right not signing a new keeper everyone, including him, wanted so let’s get behind the team.

  • Simon your nearly a bigger mug than the guy who wrote the article, if you bothered to do your research you would see we had a bid turned down in may, but wenger being stingy as usual decided it wasnt worth spending the MASSIVE TWO MILLION more to get a decent keeper, the fact that Schawzer recently became injured is irrelevant, oh and one other thing- why do some arsenal fans continual to defend Wenger and his twisted transfer policy despite the lack of trophies, do you enjoy knowing deep down at the beginning of every season that we are very unlikely to win anything, do you like being laughed at by your spurs mates, cos i for one do not!

  • Total drivel. A) Who said supporters want a world class goalie? A competent goalie is all we want. B) You seriously suggesting there are no better goalies in world football than Almunia and Fabianski? Wenger should have had a list of 200 and started working on it months ago – this should all have been done and dusted but yet again the stupid git has fucked it all up by being a stubborn, short-sighted tight arse. The moron dropped Almunia about 4 times last season and made up stories about the pillock having chest infections and all sorts of crap. It’s obvious he has no faith in him, but what does he do about it? Nothing! This is piss poor management of the highest order and anyone that sticks up from him on this one is barking mad and only doing it because they refuse to admit they are wrong about Wenger and have been wrong.

  • Simon your nearly a bigger mug than the guy who wrote the article, if you bothered to do your research you would see we had a bid turned down in may, but wenger being stingy as usual decided it wasnt worth spending the MASSIVE TWO MILLION more to get a decent keeper, the fact that Schawzer recently became injured is irrelevant, oh and one other thing- why do some arsenal fans continual to defend Wenger and his twisted transfer policy despite the lack of trophies, do you enjoy knowing deep down at the beginning of every season that we are very unlikely to win anything, do you like being laughed at by your spurs mates, because i certainly dont..

  • Wenger bidding for Swartzer proved he did not have absolute faith in the 4 keepers he has. We don’t need 5.
    That is what is disappointing so many Arsenal fans. The reason we haven’t got a new no.1 is not because Wenger didn’t think we needed one but because we couldn’t find one cheap enough! Money neeeded to be invested in that area, the Swartzer bid proved that. Once it got down to the last days of the window, the Swartzer deal was dead because Fulham lost Stockdale to injury.
    Playing bluff with Fulham over a million or so ended up being a monumental cockup and for once I think Arsenal fans have a right to moan!

  • AMEN to this, AFC will be just fine this season, so many moaners out there it’s ridiculous!

  • There were loads of decent keepers out there to bring in, Wenger just didn’t pull his finger out. All of this ‘We now have the money to buy the players that we need.’ was either bollocks or he didn’t feel that we needed a keeper.

  • I just wish all these moaning twats will find another club to support. We are the Arsenal and we are 100% behind our team. There is no need to go and buy some big name every season – our lads are good enough. For fcsk sake, please stop your crying and bitching or just go and support Mancity, they will keep you happy with new signings all the time.

  • My god, people like Gary make me sick with their vomitous drivel. I know that getting angry at idiots on the internet is no good for my heart, but my god. Does being a supporter mean that you have to agree with the boss 100% all the time? If we got Allardyce as a manager and started hoofing the ball would I also be a moaning twat for being angry at that? If we signed Marlon King and Joey Barton would I have to chant their names at the stadium just because they would have been our players? My god, get some perspective people! The club is bigger than one man, even Arsene, who has done a massive amount for the club.

  • Finally! Sick of all the negativity since last night! So what we never signed Schwarzer, how about we get behind the keeper we do have!!

    http://cescandthecity.blogspot.com/2010/09/method-to-wengers-madness.html hopefully further backs up your ideas! give it a check, cheers!

  • Wow, so much anger, anyone would think we supported different teams or something. I’d appreciate if the name-calling could be limited, it adds nothing to the debate to get personal.

    ‘Smatter of a fact I don’t think all Arsenal supporters want a ‘world class’ keeper, but there are a lot of them out there who were demanding that.

    I would really appreciate it if someone could point me towards an authoritative source for the all Arsenal had to do was pay four million for Schwartzer story. The only figures I heard directly quoted seem to come from Fulham. Not really an entirely believable source and four mill for a goalie in their late thirties?

    So far as any other goalies out there were concerned, there were certainly none with Prem experience who could come in right away, and rather than taking the easy option and saying there must have been others (why must there have been others?), some names would be nice.

    And finally no, I don’t think it was all about money, but you may have noticed that money talks in football. If the player in question does not have the right DNA then money is the only thing that will make the deal.

  • Gary if you think arsenal fans who would like a decent signing or two to keep us in contention need 2 go support man city, then maybe you should go and support west ham if your happy to sit back and watch your team win nothing every year…

  • Mark feck off. It´s these over the top reactions that´s sickening. I don´t think you´ve been completely behind the team for at least the last 4-5 years so don´t give me that 100% behind the boss bullshit. You don´t know what supporting a football team is about given your complete lack of perspective. We have a big big talent coming through and we wanted a stop-gap gk to fill in for a couple of seasons and provide competition to Al. That is all. We never wanted a top class gk for big money and people need to realise this before spouting crap about this and that player being available.

    Al was a very good keeper 2 seasons ago, but he´s been slagged off at every oportunity since he got to the club. Last season was a massive letdown for the Spaniard, but he has shown that he can be relied upon and there´s been promising signs at the begining of the season that hes turned a corner. Give the man a chance ffs.

    Everyone who support Arsenal know how we do business, yet the moaning is deafening. It´s not unreasonable to suggest that those who want big signings should support a team that meet those expectations. Arsenal have never been a club who operates like that so live with it and be glad that we have improved during this transfer window with the signings of Kos, Squill and Chamakh or without a new GK.

  • The AKB are mainly those who forever support from their armchairs & afar whilst investing not a penny. No one has asked for a ‘Citeh’ style spending spree but simply to strengthen positions where internally the answer is not there. The 2 Keeper clowns have cost Arsenal points & potential silverware too often & a Keeper should have been brought in well before yesterday. At the very least a Keeper should have been installed prior to the Emirates Cup to enable an early chance to strike up understanding with the defence & settle into the surroundings. As soon as Hughes became Fulham manager Arsenal should have abandoned pursuit of Schwarzer as it was obvious Hughes would not co-operate. I would rather we had stayed at Highbury if we had to put up this constant frugality. At the very least all incoming transfer fees received should be invested in incoming players.
    Wenger cannot justify such frugality & himself take a 20% pay rise.
    The club are rewarding him for financial reasons not football reasons.
    Even the best Keepers make a mistake like as someone earlier mentioned Reina did BUT they are rareities & not numerous & himself & others do not look like constant accidents waiting to happen like our 2 clowns do, particularly Fabianski.
    It does Fabregas a huge disservice to get him to stay & then not ensure we are as secure as possible behind him.
    In this instance I’m afraid to say that stubborness does not come into it, Wenger has plainly been negligent not to have a decent experienced Keeper this window.

  • Check out our history and remind us all when we have spent exessively to gain short term success – even before wenger the club hardly spent money and had a strict wage structure – the club has never been the biggest spenders or highest payers in north london – Spuds are!

    If you feel so strongly march outside the stadium, threathen the board, beat up wenger – but just have a day off on the blogs cause its getting really irritating and boring now – and you sound at best spoilt and worst like bitches!!

  • People, Enof with the whining. whats done is done. Moaning about it will not change whats been done.
    Why not just support the team since there’s nothing anyone can do about it now.. Or you thinking the persistent moaning will change the current situation.
    You’ve had nearly a day to moan, justifiably or not. Why not stop now and lets get on with the supporting…

  • Support meets supporting your team all the way. There are a vocal number of supports who quite happily use these sites to make a load of noise , mostly negative. However when it come to match day and they get the opportunity to play a part and make a load of noise to gee up the team they are silent. Our home crowd should be the 12th man but how often / well do we perform . We are shit !!!We need to realise that while we cannot influence who we buy we can influence the level of noise in the ground. We can support the team more rather than waiting to be entertained. All our home matches should have us singing before , during and after the match. Those who blame the cooperate section look around you .
    For this season please the CLOCK END / NORTH BANK , BE THE LEADER OFF THE PITCH .
    If we belive and pull together we can be champions !!!!!!

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